The “Shatter Combo” Problem

OfcourseifwealsomadeFingersofFrost(orIceLance)better,thenwe'rejustgoingtohaveproblemswithFrostinPvP.

Frost'sPvEdpsisverygoodrightnow-ifanythingit'salittleclosertoFirethanwepredicted.IfFroststartstofalloffforanyreason,thatwouldbeagoodopportunitytorevisitFoFtoseeifwecangetmoreofthebehavioryou'redescribing,becauseultimatelyIagreeitwouldbecooltoseemorePvEIceLances.

聽InordertogetthesameeffectfromFingersofFrostasfromactualfrozentargets,wewouldhavetosetupthespellthesamewayasfreezing,sothatyoucouldsneakthatIceLanceinbetweenFrostbolts.Rightnowyouget2bighitsfromFingersofFrost,whichyourightlywanttospendonFrostbolt.IfwechangedFingersofFrostsothatFrostboltalwaysbrokeit,thenyouwouldwanttogetthatIceLanceinthere,butyouroveralldpswouldgodown.We'dneedtocompensateFrostsomeotherwayforthatnerf,andit'sthekindofthingthatmightnotbepopularwiththemagecommunitybecausewe'dbenerfingFingersofFrost'sdamagepotentialinordertoforceyouintousingIceLanceallinthenameofmoreinterestingrotations.(Obviouslywe'renotthatnervousaboutmakingunpopularchangeswhenwethinktheyarewarranted,andoverallencouragingplayerstousedifferentkindsofspellsisagoodthing.)

IfyouhavegoodsuggestionsthoughonhowtopreserveFrost'sPvEdpswithoutmakingitOPinPvPandwithouthavingtochangeawholebunchofspells,pleasesharethem.

GhostcrawleronParty-wideversusRaid-widebuffs
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Thereareafewbuffsthatarestillparty-wideandnotraid.Typicallythesearespellswhichwouldhavefeltreallylamewiththelowernumbersneededtojustifythemgoingraid-wide.VampiricEmbraceisanotherexample.

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WewilldosometestsandanalysisofwhetherRetistoosusceptibletomanadrainsinPvPsincethatseemstobesomethingthecommunityisworriedabout.

聽MakingSenseofthe(Paladin)Changes
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Sincethen,whatwe'refindingisthatRet'sdpsseemsokayonPvEbutonlyiftheyusealotofexpensiveAEspellslikeConsecrationandHolyWrathevenagainstsingletargetsinlongfights(e.g.raidbosses),whichinturncausesthemtorunoutofmanatooquickly.Playerssuspectthatiftheydon'tusethosespellsthattheirdpswon'tbecompetitive.Thatiswhatwearelookingatrightnow.BuffingMartyr/BloodmightbeanoptionsincethosearemoreoftenusedinPvEandriskiertouseinPvP.

ThedamagewastoohighinPvEandPvP.Itwastoohighforsometimeinbeta.Wefound(ormoreaccuratelytheplayersfound)acoupleofbugsthatwehopedwerecausingtheinflation.Whenwefixedthebugs,unfortunately,Retdamagewasstilltoohigh.Wemadetheinfamous"surgical"attempttofixRet'sdamage,butthatendedupnotdoingasmuchaswehoped.Wethenmadeasecondroundoflargernerfsthatjustwentontothebetabuild.